Tree pulling

<body topmargin=0 leftmargin=0 marginheight=0 marginwidth=0> <table cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 border=0><tr> <td valign="top" height=95 BGCOLOR="#666600" TEXT="#080000" bgproperties="fixed" background="09e005f0dwnqni.gif"> <div> <FONT SIZE="5" COLOR="#FFFFFF" FACE="Arial" ><B>Landholders Institute Inc</B></FONT><FONT SIZE="1" COLOR="#FFFFCC" FACE="Arial" ><B>   </B></FONT><B>  </B><B>|     </B><A HREF="index.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="Landholders Institute Inc"><U><B>home</B></U></A></div> <div> <A HREF="index.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="Landholders Institute Inc"><U>Landholders Institute Inc</U></A></div> <div> </div> </td> </tr><tr> <td valign="top" height=385 BGCOLOR="#FFFBF0" TEXT="#080000"> <div> <B>Tree pulling</B></div> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="2" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="643" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="BOX" RULES="ALL" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP COLSPAN=3 HEIGHT= 1373 WIDTH="633"><div> Tree pulling is one tool that graziers in the northern parts of Australia can use to look after and repair their land. We refer to it as "tree pulling" rather than "tree clearing" because in most cases the main purpose of it is to encourage grass growth, not to permanently remove trees. </div> <bR> <DIV ALIGN="LEFT"></DIV> <div> <I><B><IMG SRC="1cc44dd0.jpg" border=0 width="324" height="221" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></B></I></div> <div> <B>The area to the right in this photo shows  bare </B></div> <div> <B>ground under trees. The area in the left of the</B></div> <div> <B> photo has been pulled and has a healthy grass</B></div> <div> <B> cover as well as young trees regrowing. </B></div> <bR> <bR> <div> According to the Wilderness society, the national tree clearing figures for 2000 were</div> <div>  </div> <div> QLD  425,000 ha</div> <div> NSW 37,000 ha</div> <div> TAS 4,000 ha   * ABC radio`s show Earthbeat claims Tasmainia pulls 13,400 ha annually</div> <div> VIC  1,828 ha</div> <div> WA  1,000  ha</div> <bR> <div> In our opinion, these figures are half correct. Each state has differring land management reasons for pulling trees. For example, not all the 425,000 ha of supposably "cleared land" is truly cleared land. </div> <div> Below is a photo of 3,000 acres of land "cleared" in 1985. This photo was taken 15 years later, the regrowth is up to 7 metres tall - about 70% of the original tree height. A 1999 satelite image showed it to be "remnant forest". </div> <bR> <DIV ALIGN="LEFT"></DIV> <div> <IMG SRC="1cea2cc0.jpg" border=0 width="418" height="204" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></div> <bR> <div> So if we were to compare apples with apples, then the data would change and the approximate amount of land which has changed it`s use (from timbered to cleared land) would become.</div> <div>  </div> <div> QLD  60,000 ha</div> <div> NSW 15,000 ha</div> <div> TAS     4,000 ha  </div> <div> VIC      1,800 ha</div> <div> WA      1,000 ha</div> <bR> <div> To explain this, the data shows that in Queensland 5% of tree pulling is to clear areas for town, city and mining  development.<I> (20,000 ha)</I></div> <bR> <div> 10% of tree pulling in Queensland is to make room for crops. (<I>40,000 ha</I>) Generally land cleared for cropping will remain clear permanently (apart from whatever shelter belts are left) although if ploughing stopped, then  the trees would eventually return. <I>(See paired photos of </I><A HREF="#tennis_court" TITLE="Tree pulling"><U><I>tennis court</I></U></A><I> and </I><A HREF="#cropped_area" TITLE="Tree pulling"><U><I>cropped area</I></U></A><I> below or click on </I><A HREF="id27.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="Tree increase in Australia"><U><I>Tree Increase in Australia</I></U></A><I> )</I>.</div> <bR> <div>  The rest of the tree pulling in Queensland (85%) (<I>340,000 ha</I>)is for <U>repairing the soil</U> and encouraging healthier pastures for grazing. We believe this type of pulling should be considered as quite different to the situations that do not allow trees to regrow or do not establish perennial grasses.</div> <bR> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 217 WIDTH="284"><div> <IMG SRC="19620c00.jpg" border=0 width="288" height="192" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"> <A NAME="tennis_court"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="1" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="1" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" ></A></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=TOP WIDTH="69"><bR> <bR> </tD> <tD VALIGN=TOP><NOBR><bR> <div> <IMG SRC="19811b70.jpg" border=0 width="273" height="183" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></div> </NOBR></tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 135 WIDTH="284"><div> <B>Balgay Tennis courts in central NSW during the 50th Anniversary Celebrations in 1986.  As can be seen in the photo above the courts were bare of vegetation, having been annually salted and rolled for the previous fifty years.</B></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=TOP WIDTH="69"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="135" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="69" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=TOP WIDTH="274"><div> <B>The photo above shows the same courts fourteen years later - 100% native vegetation cover.  No need for tree planting programs in this environment! </B></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="2" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="668" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="BOX" RULES="ALL" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP COLSPAN=2 HEIGHT= 123 WIDTH="660"><div> <B><U> <A NAME="what_is_wrong_with_the_soil__why_does"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="1" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="1" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" ></A></U></B><B><U>What is wrong with the soil? Why does it need repairing?  </U></B></div> <bR> <div> <B> </B>In many areas of Australia the climate is relatively arid and low in humidity. </div> <div> The soil can easily become bare and exposed to sun, wind and rain. When this happens the soil surface is easily eroded by wind and rain.</div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 267 WIDTH="334"><div> Raindrop impact seals the surface of the soil and the sun bakes it hard. (In some soil types, when ripped by a bulldozer, the soil breaks up looking like concrete slabs about 20 cm thick).  </div> <div> When the soil surface is sealed like this rainwater can not easily soak into the ground and the water runs off causing more severe flooding and erosion than normal in creeks. Poor water penetration into the soil means plants have less moisture to grow and small animals and microorganisms in the soil can not thrive.</div> <bR> </tD> <tD VALIGN=TOP WIDTH="323"><div> <IMG SRC="19aeab80.jpg" border=0 width="234" height="184" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></div> <div> <B>Photo above shows hard capped soil surface in central-western Queensland shaded by trees. A crowbar thrown at this soil surface would  hardly make a dent.</B></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="2" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="673" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="BOX" RULES="ALL" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 132 WIDTH="667"><div> <B><U>How does the soil surface become capped and bare?</U></B></div> <bR> <div> A healthy soil has a "skin" of living plants and litter from dead grass, leaves, twigs etc. The skin is lost when plants die and no young seedlings replace them and when the litter is blown or washed away because not enough plants remain to hold the litter in place.</div> <bR> <div>  </div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="2" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="674" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="BOX" RULES="ALL" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP COLSPAN=2 HEIGHT= 132 WIDTH="666"><div> <B><U>Why do the plants die?</U></B></div> <bR> <div> Plants can be killed, and seedlings can fail to survive, through being grazed or burnt either  too often or not often enough <I>(see </I><A HREF="id75.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="Grazing and animal impact"><U><I>Grazing and Animal Impact</I></U></A><A HREF="id75.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="Grazing and animal impact"><U><I> </I></U></A><I> and </I><A HREF="id73.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="Fire"><U><I>Fire</I></U></A><I>)</I>. New seedlings can fail to establish in hard soil when there has been nothing (such as hoof action) to loosen the soil surface so that seeds can be covered.</div> <bR> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 343 WIDTH="363"><div> Too many trees can also kill grass. As tree cover becomes thicker <I> </I>the trees compete with grasses for moisture and light  and therefore the grass cover gradually declines. <I>(see </I><A HREF="id27.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="Tree increase in Australia"><U><I>Tree Increase in Australia</I></U></A><I> )</I></div> <bR> <div> Trees in the right proportions can actually increase the production of grasses but when they become very thick they can reduce grass density to almost zero. Trees are nowhere near as good at protecting the soil surface as grasses are. Trees do not  prevent erosion in a "brittle" (non-humid, erratic rainfall) environment. </div> <bR> <div> <B>The photo to the right from central N.S.W. shows bare ground under the trees in the background with a gully beginning to form. In the foreground, where there are fewer trees, the grass is thicker. </B></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=TOP><NOBR><div> <IMG SRC="19cce330.jpg" border=0 width="206" height="307" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></div> </NOBR></tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="2" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="675" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="BOX" RULES="ALL" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 284 WIDTH="669"><div> <B><U>How does tree pulling repair the soil surface?</U></B></div> <bR> <div> Treepulling performs several positive functions including. </div> <div> <IMG BORDER="0" SRC="Symb075c00b700f000000000.gif" HEIGHT="16" WIDTH="24" ALIGN="bottom" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0">Tree roots which are pulled out and dragged along the ground break up the crusted soil surface which results in  better water infiltration. (Especially where the tree stump has been dislodged).</div> <div> <IMG BORDER="0" SRC="Symb075c00b700f000000000.gif" HEIGHT="16" WIDTH="24" ALIGN="bottom" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0">The scratched ground creates a seedbed for both native and introduced grass establishment. If the tree cover had been very thick then more light and moisture is available for grasses. As trees rot down the nutrients locked up in them are released into the soil and can be taken up by grasses.</div> <div> <IMG BORDER="0" SRC="Symb075c00b700f000000000.gif" HEIGHT="16" WIDTH="24" ALIGN="bottom" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0">The litter from the dead grasses, tree bark and leaves helps to cover the soil surface and protect it.</div> <div> <IMG BORDER="0" SRC="Symb075c00b700f000000000.gif" HEIGHT="16" WIDTH="24" ALIGN="bottom" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0">The trees lying on the ground slow down water runoff speed therefore reducing erosion. As the grasses establish, the water infiltration increases and water erosion reduces further. </div> <bR> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="2" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="669" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="BOX" RULES="ALL" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 203 ><NOBR><div> <IMG SRC="19e27c50.jpg" border=0 width="295" height="197" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></div> </NOBR></tD> <tD VALIGN=TOP WIDTH="71"><div>  <A NAME="cropped_area"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="1" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="1" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" ></A></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=TOP><NOBR><div> <IMG SRC="1a025c30.jpg" border=0 width="293" height="195" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></div> </NOBR></tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 303 WIDTH="289"><div> <B>The photo above shows erosion caused by water running off the poorly grassed land under these trees. Trees alone have been helpless to prevent the loss of soil and the trees themselves are threatened by the erosion as you can see from the number of exposed tree roots. This land is in central N.S.W.</B></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=TOP WIDTH="71"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="303" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="71" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=TOP WIDTH="293"><div> <B>The photo above has been taken from exactly the same spot as the one on the left except facing in the opposite direction.</B></div> <div> <B>The only remedial action taken on this country was the removal of dense woody vegetation ten years previously followed by cropping for three years.</B></div> <div> <B>Notice the healing gully, the thicker pasture  and the young trees re-emerging in the cropped area.</B></div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <div> <B><U>But what about salinity?</U></B></div> <bR> <div> The best information we have is detailed in 3 articles by  Dr.Christine Jones (DLWC NSW, Soil Scientist) . Briefly though, the articles claim tree clearing even in areas with shallow water tables is not the primary reason for a water table rise - it`s the lack of dense healthy perennial grasses.</div> <div> The articles are listed on our <A HREF="id4.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="Research and articles"><U>Research and articles</U></A> page. </div> <div> <B>Diagram of Christine Jones new water table model</B></div> <bR> <div> <B><U> <TABLE BORDER="2" CELLPADDING="2" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="681" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="BOX" RULES="ALL" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 138 WIDTH="322"><div> <IMG SRC="0eec4840.gif" border=0 width="196" height="132" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=TOP WIDTH="340"><div> <IMG SRC="0efcc830.gif" border=0 width="204" height="131" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 115 WIDTH="322"><div> 1800`s - The land had few trees and dense grass cover. </div> <div> water infiltration occurred across the landscape. water tables were fairly stable</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=TOP WIDTH="340"><div> by 1960`s - grass cover declined and trees thickened due to fire regime change. lower (cleared) areas had more water infiltrate into surface aquifers raising water tables (and dryland salinity occurred) The cause is the lack of dense deeprooted grasses.</div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></U></B></div> <div> The solution to much of Australia`s salinity problems is to rebalance the inflow of water into the Aquifers. <B>Returning the land to open wooded grassland</B> would be a major step in that direction, and appropriate management tools of fire, grazing, <B>and treepulling </B>are important in achieving this.</div> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="2" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="673" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="BOX" RULES="ALL" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 1834 WIDTH="667"><div> <B><U>But don't we need trees too?</U></B></div> <bR> <div> Yes, we most certainly do. There are a number of reasons for keeping trees or allowing regrowth of some trees. These include</div> <div> <IMG BORDER="0" SRC="Symb075c00b700f000000000.gif" HEIGHT="16" WIDTH="24" ALIGN="bottom" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0">Habitat for maintaining biodiversity - A 10% to 15% retention rate is the world wide standard. (We believe a well grassed timbered area gives better biodiversity results than trees with bare ground under them. Many native insects, birds, reptiles and mammals need the seed and leaves of grass for food. Trees regrow on pulled areas quickly. (How thick the trees become when they regrow depends on management).</div> <div> <IMG BORDER="0" SRC="Symb075c00b700f000000000.gif" HEIGHT="16" WIDTH="24" ALIGN="bottom" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0">Providing stock (and native animal) shelter.</div> <div> <IMG BORDER="0" SRC="Symb075c00b700f000000000.gif" HEIGHT="16" WIDTH="24" ALIGN="bottom" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0">To keep a selection of trees for things such as forestry or fencing timber.</div> <div> <IMG BORDER="0" SRC="Symb075c00b700f000000000.gif" HEIGHT="16" WIDTH="24" ALIGN="bottom" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0">Attractive landscaping</div> <bR> <div> In most Australian  states, landholders have to submit a plan of how they want to manage their vegetation. Provided the plan ensures the minimum retention area and no endangered ecosystems or endangered animals habitats are destroyed, a permit is <B>supposed</B> to be given. Some states have a list of other requirements as well (and unfortunately some states have government departments overstepping the law and putting restrictions on landholders that are illegal.)</div> <div>     We believe more research should be done with regards to maintaining biodiversity because very little has been done to date. (E.G. how does grass cover, size of retention areas, climate, vegetation type & density, and grazing management systems affect biodiversity?)</div> <bR> <div> On the rangelands of Northern Australia the problem is not so much keeping enough trees after pulling, as preventing them from growing back too thickly. Tree regrowth after pulling is usually thicker and more likely to crowd out grasses than the original stand of timber was unless it is well managed with fire and appropriate grazing. Some environmental groups acknowledge this regrowth problem (<I>see Queensland Conservation Council web site</I>) but fail to understand that <B>natural timber thickening</B> is creating the same environmental problems as regrowth does. <I>(See second photo on this page). </I></div> <bR> <div> The "tree clearing" debate should be raising the question, "What is the best way to manage trees for a sustainable productive landscape?" rather than, "How many trees should landholders be allowed to pull down?"</div> <div> One approach to forest management that could be helpful is called <A HREF="id48.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="Variable retention in forestry"><U>"Variable retention in forestry" </U></A>One of the founders of Greenpeace (Patrick Moore) advocates this method of management. Please follow the link to learn more about it.</div> <bR> <div> <B><U>Answering critics of treepulling</U></B></div> <bR> <div> <I><B><U>Senator Robert Hill </U></B></I><I><U>has said tree clearing in Queensland is unsustainable</U></I> - However the facts are </div> <div> <IMG BORDER="0" SRC="Symb075c00b700f000000000.gif" HEIGHT="16" WIDTH="24" ALIGN="bottom" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0">approximately 400,000 hectares were pulled in Queensland in 2000. </div> <div> <IMG BORDER="0" SRC="Symb075c00b700f000000000.gif" HEIGHT="16" WIDTH="24" ALIGN="bottom" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0">85% (340,000 ha) was not for a land use change ( it was grazing land before and remains grazing land still and the tree pulling was for regeneration of grasses and tree control purposes</div> <div> <IMG BORDER="0" SRC="Symb075c00b700f000000000.gif" HEIGHT="16" WIDTH="24" ALIGN="bottom" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0">Only 15% (60,000 ha) was for a land use change (housing, mining, cropping etc)   </div> <div> <IMG BORDER="0" SRC="Symb075c00b700f000000000.gif" HEIGHT="16" WIDTH="24" ALIGN="bottom" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0">Dr Bill Burrows (Tree researcher at the Beef institute) has research showing 60,000,000 ha of Queenslands grazing land  has trees increasing at an average of 911kg/ ha of biomass (<I>see his article on carbon sequestration</I>) That`s over 54,000,000 tonnes / year. His research also shows timber biomass on grazing land range from 30 - 100 tonnes / ha across Queensland. If we use an average of 80 tonnes / ha as the biomass of all the pulled timber, then 400,000 ha x 80 t/ha = 32,000,000 tonnes of timber is pulled each year.  If you assume all the timber is burnt or rots (which is not the case) then <B>Queensland still has a surplus of approx 22,000,000 tonnes biomass growing each year on grazing lands</B> (The actual figure would be greater than this, as not all the pulled timber is burnt and the average biomass could be less than 80 tonne/ ha.) Therefore tree pulling<B> is a sustainable land management tool </B>in the grazing lands of Queensland.</div> <bR> <div> <I><B><U>Dr Barry Traill</U></B></I><I><B><U> (Wilderness society of Queensland) said on ABC radio that if tree clearing continues as it is, then in 20 years time, there will be no bush left  as we know it . </U></B></I><I> </I></div> <bR> <div> The above figures demonstrate his lack of understanding about Queensland ecosystems which have <B>trees that germinate constantly (treethickening), regrow after pulling, and encroach on to new areas</B>.(<I>see tree increase) </I>His maths is inaccurate too <I>(60 million ha / 400,000 ha = 150  not  20)</I></div> <bR> <div> <I><B><U>Senator Hill </U></B></I><I><U>has stated Queensland needs to cap the treeclearing rate to reduce Australia`s greenhouse gas emissions.</U></I></div> <bR> <div> Queensland has a <B>biomass increase </B>of approx 22,000,000 tonnes each year </div> <div> Thats approx <B>10,000,000 tonnes of extra carbon  stored in vegetation each year</B>. </div> <div> Sure by reducing tree pulling rates, even more carbon would be stored, but Queensland is already a vegetation sink, so any extra should be paid for via carbon credits as those areas not able to pull timber will eventually <B>become non grazing lands</B> once the tree density reaches it`s maximum. </div> <bR> <div> <I><B>Senator Hill</B></I><I> has also said Queensland`s treeclearing should be brought into line with other states.</I></div> <bR> <div> What does he mean?</div> <div> <IMG BORDER="0" SRC="Symb075c00b700f000000000.gif" HEIGHT="16" WIDTH="24" ALIGN="bottom" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0">All other states still allow land clearing provided endangered ecosystems,  protected species habitat and retention rates are retained, which Queensland does as well.</div> <div> <IMG BORDER="0" SRC="Symb075c00b700f000000000.gif" HEIGHT="16" WIDTH="24" ALIGN="bottom" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0">Tasmania has more treepulling as a percentage of total land mass than Queensland. (according to ABC radio`s Earthbeat program )</div> <div> <IMG BORDER="0" SRC="Symb075c00b700f000000000.gif" HEIGHT="16" WIDTH="24" ALIGN="bottom" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0">Western Australia has 6 government departments making "memorandums of understanding" which are defacto (illegal) vegetation laws, which have never been debated in parliament.</div> <div> <IMG BORDER="0" SRC="Symb075c00b700f000000000.gif" HEIGHT="16" WIDTH="24" ALIGN="bottom" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0">And South Australia has very little vegetation left. (2.7 million ha on grazing land)</div> <bR> <div> Which states does he want Queensland to follow?</div> <bR> <div> <IMG BORDER="0" SRC="Symb075c00b700f000000000.gif" HEIGHT="16" WIDTH="24" ALIGN="bottom" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0">In Queensland all endangered ecosystems and endangered animals habitats are protected, and retention rates adhered to. All tree pulling requires a property plan and a permit.</div> <div> <IMG BORDER="0" SRC="Symb075c00b700f000000000.gif" HEIGHT="16" WIDTH="24" ALIGN="bottom" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"> Mr Hill should be prepared to help the Queensland Government sort out a method of compensation for landholders badly affected via loss of freehold rights they have paid for, and imposed "public good" conservation, which have ocurred as a result of the above restrictions.  </div> <bR> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <div>   <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript"> sw="none";sd="none";ref=""+escape(document.referrer); </script> <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript1.2"> sw=screen.width;nav=navigator.appName; sc=(nav!="Netscape")?screen.colorDepth:screen.pixelDepth; </script> <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript"> function doit(str) {document.writeln(str);} qs="&sw="+sw+"&sc="+sc+"&ref="+ref; url='http://counter41.bravenet.com/index.php?'; url += 'id=342367&usernum=3459835718&cpv=1'; curl='http://counter41.bravenet.com/counter.php?id=342367&usernum=3459835718'; doit('<a href="'+url+'" target="_top"><img border="0" src="'+curl+qs+'" /></a>') </script> <noscript> <a href="http://counter41.bravenet.com/index.php?id=342367&usernum=3459835718&cpv=1" target="_top"><img src="http://counter41.bravenet.com/counter.php?id=342367&usernum=3459835718" alt="Bravenet.com" border="0" /></a> </noscript>  </div> </td> </tr></table></body>